Welcome to the “Ina Sessions”

I prefer to tell stories about people who are no longer with us. It is just easier that way. Fewer complications, no privacy issues, and within reason, you can make stuff up that very few living people can even question. Plus you get the added satisfaction of bringing long forgotten people back to life. But in this case I decided to make an exception. My Mom’s story is far too interesting. And in this year – when we have lost far too many – and when sadly many become statistics instead of stories – it couldn’t wait any longer. We all need a good story.

In late 2020, as the second wave of the Covid 19 Pandemic surged – and people her age in Long Term Care were again under siege – I convinced Mom – to let me record her – telling her story. Now – personally I can’t remember what happened last week ,yet here I was asking her , yes expecting her, to remember things that happened over seven decades ago.

But, gamer that she is, and nervous as she was – she came through.

This is her 2020 gift to all of us.

Merry Christmas – we hope you enjoy the “Ina Sessions”

The best way to approach the Ina Sessions is to simply follow the menu. Start where Ina started – in Chelton, PEI and travel along with her to Norval Ontario. As you travel along with Ina please add your own comments,questions and memories. Please conclude your journey by reading “The Letter.

We didn’t put these memories down by ourselves. We had help. Ina’s sister Louise – stuck in New Glasgow PEI this winter and struggling with a serious jig saw puzzle addiction -miraculously managed to find time to listen to all the Ina sessions and add her own recollections. Two very special Aunts, who left us some time ago, contributed immensely. Much of this is a modernization of work done by Ina’s Aunt Anne Lowther MacFarlane. Many of the photos are from Ina’s Aunt Anita Webb’s collection. This is only fitting – as these two Aunts – each with very strong yet very different personalities – are the two people Ina credits most as having had the greatest influence over her – and her story.

Chelton Beach, South Shore, Prince Edward Island

Ina Austina Webb – born a long time ago – mid 1930’s – at home on a small mixed dairy farm in Chelton, Prince Edward Island – the sparkling waters of the the Northumberland Strait within view.

Proudly she is the first child of Keith Webb and Margaret Lowther. The first grandchild of Annie Ellice Laird. The first local grandchild of Ernest & Myrtle Webb. First niece of Anne and Edward Lowther, Marion, Anita, Lorraine and Pauline Webb. She is in serious danger of being spoiled rotten. Sadly she would soon seriously require and receive all of their love and support.

We know for sure that her unusual middle name is after her great Uncle Austin Laird of Cavendish, PEI. We think her first name may have originated after an Ina in the Keith family of Havelock New Brunswick where her Grandmother Myrtle McNeill Webb was raised.

One thing we know for sure is – you can’t have an Ina without a Louise – the two go together – like lobster and butter.

Ada Louise Webb therefore arrived as soon as she possibly could. She is named after her great grandmother Ada McNeill Simpson and her Great Aunt Louise Webb.

Ina made sure her sister Louise was well nourished.

Anne Lowther MacFarlane collection

Now Ina always claims that her sister Louise is the social butterfly and that she is the shy quiet one. Well, we’ll be the judge of that. As you can see below , both of them are characters -as they entertain their Uncle Charles MacFarlane and their mother’s sister Aunt Anne Lowther MacFarlane. Ina is the one with the cool sunglasses.

Charles,Louise,Ina, Anne

The two sisters have a happy life in Chelton surrounded by family and friends. Yes , times are tough, the Great Depression is always in the background and a Great War looms on the horizon. One would think a farm on the Northumberland Strait in PEI would be far removed from the Great War. And it was – but it wasn’t. Summerside PEI just across Bedeque Bay – is where many Canadian Air Force heroes were trained. Ina remembers seeing planes like the one below flying over the farm or the strait – and waving at them!

In the winter of 1940 mother Margaret Lowther Webb is expecting. We know now that she is expecting a baby boy – a brother for Ina and Louise. But it is not to be. Margaret miscarries. It is a stormy snowy night in early December . Despite the desperate efforts of Keith and friends and neighbours it is impossible in the snowy blizzard to get Margaret to the hospital in Summerside in time for help. Tragically the two sisters and their father Keith lose their Mother and the new baby. Anne and Edward lose their precious big sister. Ellice loses her daughter. Margaret is only 28 years of age. Ina is 5 years old, Louise is 4 years old. The photo below is the last one we have of Ina and her mother Margaret together. ( listen to Ina’s recollection of this tragedy in the first Ina Session)

Margaret, Ina, Gilbert the Cat from Cavendish, and Pullets – from the Anne Lowther MacFarlane collection

Life carries on with the support of friends neighbours, Grandparents, Aunts and Uncles. And most importantly – the two sisters – learn to support each other. They attend the Little Red Schoolhouse in North Carleton together – and despite the long walk of over two miles uphill there and back – through thick forests populated by grizzly bears – they each win attendance awards in Grade One. ( you can listen to some of their – on the way to school – adventures – in the first Ina Session in a minute)

Their father Keith is having difficulty coping. He decides to pull up roots and make a change in geography. He will join his sisters Marion, Anita and Lorraine all in Ontario. While he is scouting out his future in Ontario his daughters will stay with their Grandparents in Cavendish, P.E.I.

Ina Session – Number one

This is the very first “Ina Session” recorded at her high tech Condo Recording Studio in Georgetown, Ontario in November 2020. ( okay – we just used the voice recorder on my Huawei phone) Both Ina and son Alan were nervous at the start – but we got through it.

Ina Reed Webb – remembering her early days in Chelton/North Carleton Prince Edward Island
More memories Chelton/North Carleton – Aunts, School, Movie , War

Following each session we would send the recordings to her sister Louise in New Glasgow Prince Edward Island.

Louise’s recollections are below.

You asked about what we ate. Lots of potatoes and milk for sure. I remember often having “sops” in the evenings. It was chunks of homemade bread with warm milk on it and some brown sugar.Maybe there wasn’t anything else. We certainly didn’t mind it.Dad would pull two chairs over to the sink and put one of us on each chair and we were to wash and dry the dishes.

I can vividly remember the night Ina talked about when we went to Aunt Martha’s during a snowstorm. The horses were up to their bellies in snow and Dad and Mom had to get out to try to shovel them out. We should never have left home and our Mom died a few days later.

The wake and funeral are also vivid memories. Dad stood with one of us in each arm and cried his heart out. We had never seen him shed a tear before.

You asked about games. I remember playing cards with lamplight at the kitchen table with Clayton and Frances, Dad and Mrs. Wells. She was always Mrs. Wells to us and we loved her. She smelled wonderful and was really a kind lady. Harry and I visited her in Delray, Florida, and she was as nice as ever.

I remember going to the brook by the beach at our shore in the spring when the smelts were running. They were so plentiful that we scooped them out with our hands and buckets. Also after helping with hay we would go to the beach for a dip. It was wonderful!

Visitors— Grandad’s brother, Uncle Ted, and his wife, Aunt Anna, visited from California and brought us each a doll. It was a very exciting day. I don’t remember that we had ever had a toy.

 I remember the rations during the war. Also  how excited we were when we finally got to taste bananas. Also there were a lot of Gypsies (beggars) knocking on the door looking for food. We were pretty scared of them.

Our teacher at North Carleton was Dorothy MacFarlane, not Lowther,. Her Mother was Aletha Lowther, Harry’s Dad’s sister. She was a wonderful teacher but one day during art class she gave our class children’s scissors to do something. I cut out the square on the front of my plaid skirt that Aunt Nete had made for us. She never gave me scissors again. To make things worse Aunt Nete was there when we got home!

 At recess time and lunch time we played Anti Anti Over with a ball thrown over the outhouse—- girls on one side, boys on the other

Cavendish was a long way away by horse and wagon or sleigh.. when we went in the winter time we had heated bricks at our feet and lots of blankets. It seemed to take until dark to get there and we’d stay for a couple of days.

Ina and Louise stylishly modelling the winter coats their Aunt Nete (Anita Webb) made them.

Tea with the Grandmothers in Cavendish

Charlottetown Guardian – September 1937

In September of 1937 the two Grandmothers – Myrtle McNeil Webb and Annie Ellice Laird Lowther host a tea for the girls – at Green Gables – the first year the Webb home is a National Park. Ina and Louise are the last tourists of the first year of Green Gables National Park. The sisters are only one and two years of age – we don’t have a photo of the occasion – the photo below is taken a few years later.

The two grandmothers are good friends. As you can see in the photo below taken many years earlier in 1905 at Myrtle’s wedding. The bride, a young Myrtle on the left, and her bridesmaid a young Ellice on the right . They wouldn’t have dreamed that someday they would both be grandmothers to the two girls above.

The Dolls – Anna & Uncle Ted

from the Anita Webb collection

Both Louise and Ina fondly remember the visit of their great Uncle Ted Webb and his wife Anna in the summer of 1938. They come all the way from California where Uncle Ted works as a carpenter on Hollywood movies sets for Sam Goldwyn Studios. That is cool – or whatever they said back then. But what was especially cool – and one reason the visit is so well remembered – is that they came bearing gifts . Two dolls – one for each of Ina and Louise. The sisters had never had anything like that before.

1938 – Grandad Ernest Webb, his brother Ted from California, Margaret, Keith , Grandmother Myrtle, Aunt Lorraine, Louise and Ina – tightly holding those prized dolls. (from Anita’s collection)

Cavendish PEI

Your Mother dies very young. You lose a potential brother. Your Dad leaves you to go to Ontario. How bad can it get?

But here’s the thing. Yes, he is leaving you with your Grandparents – in the home he grew up in – but it just so happens to be the most famous farmhouse in Canada – maybe the entire world. It is now a National Park. It is Green Gables. The home of Anne. How many young girls around the world would love to be able to say they spent a year growing up at Green Gables?

And No – it’s not Matthew and Marilla – it’s even better – it’s Ernest and Myrtle.

Welcome to the Cavendish year.

It all starts in September 1944. Keith has sold the farm in Chelton to Jack Sobey. Everything else goes in an auction sale. Keith and sister Anita head to Ontario on September 22nd. Ina and Louise are left on their own.

They start Grade Two at Cavendish school. A much shorter walk this time through the woods on the Webb Farm. Their grandfather Ernest has even made a path for them.

Lovers Lane – U of Guelph – LMM Collection

The height of the tourist season is over. The sisters have Lovers Lane, the Haunted Woods, the Babbling Brook and an entire Championship Stanley Thompson designed golf course all to themselves. The photo below is the only time I have seen Ina with a set of golf clubs, but even at that age she thinks it is a stupid game – and refuses to touch a club. Louise on the other hand started golfing at a very young age. No wonder in later years she always wins the annual Reed Fenske golf tournament at Red Sands in Margate.

Ina caddying for her sister Louise at Green Gables Golf course (photo taken earlier than year being described)

The sisters attend Sunday School. Aunt Anne and son, first first cousin David,visit from the south shore as much as they can. Aunt Pauline, the lone Webb Aunt still on the island, is also a frequent visitor.

Reverend Coffin is often a guest. Myrtle is the church organist. Hymn sings are an evening activity.

Just before Christmas Reverend Ewan MacDonald, husband of L.M. Montgomery, and former Minister at the Cavendish Presbyterian Church, passes away. Chester and Stewart MacDonald bring their father’s body from Toronto to Cavendish. The funeral is at the Webb house. The body and coffin are placed in the parlor right below the sisters bedroom. Listen to the second Ina session to learn more.

At Christmas the girls are all excited to be participating in the Cavendish School Christmas concert. Myrtle proudly reports that the girls did very well. Grandad Ernest almost freezes his face off when he goes to Hunter River to get the Christmas gift that has arrived from their Dad in Ontario. Listen to the second Ina sesson to find out what the gift is.

The girls visit their Uncle Edward Lowther and Aunt Mary McNeill Lowther on New Years Day.

Aunt Lorraine comes home from Ottawa in late March. Louise remembers looking out the kitchen window waiting in anticipation of her arrival.

In the spring both girls get the chicken pox. Their Aunt Anne is expecting. Uncle Charles comes all the way from the other side of the Island. Charles is very excited to share the news of the arrival of a baby girl cousin – Margaret Elizabeth MacFarlane -with Ina and Louise. Due to the chicken pox the girls have to quarantine a long agonizing eighteen days before they can meet their new cousin. The classic photo below is the last one taken of the girls before they leave PEI to join their father in Ontario. Two days later they are on a train to Ontario.

David , Louise, Beth and Ina – May 28th , 1944 from the Aunt Anne Collection

Ina Session – Two -Cavendish

Earlier photo of the girls and the entire family – with the exception of Marion – at Green Gables. Left to Right back – Anita, Lorraine, Keith, Pauline. Front – Louise, Myrtle,Ernest & Ina.

Our second significant Ina Session – recounting her days in Cavendish. One of her favourite years – and – thanks to the book “Anne of Green Gables” will probably be the one remembered by family 100 years from now. Did you know my 4th great grandmother lived at Green Gables one year?

Ina Webb recording of – “A year at Green Gables”
Ina Webb recording of – “Churning and Quilting”

Louise recollections

I can remember visiting our great grandmother, Ada, in their home. She was in bed and her hair looked so white on the pillow and she looked very tiny.

During the winter, the living room at Green Gables always seemed to have either a rug in the frames  or a quilt and neighbor ladies often came to work on them in the afternoons. The little cast iron stove was set up in there during the winter and it was nice and cozy in there.

Ethel Moore was the teacher when we first got there, I think. Jennie (not Jessie) was in one of the higher grades.

The green for what is now Hole#11 was right beside the house and golfers had to shoot across the hollow there. Ina and I had a swing at the edge of the green. It’s a wonder we were never hit by flying balls!

Aunt Nete’s car was always put in the barn in the winter.

Ina said Grandad never disciplined us. He disciplined me once. I deserved it and it hurt him more than me! Gram was going to Institute with someone and I walked home with Bessie Moore after school . Unfortunately the car Gram was in went past us and I got home before her but when she got home she was really upset with me! That evening Grandad sat beside me on the kitchen couch forever and when I finally stood up he gave me a little swat on the bottom. I have never forgotten it!

Grandad made us fish hooks out of safety pins one time and rigged poles up for us. We would walk down Lover’s Lane and fish in the brook. I can remember seeing fish in the brook but can’t remember ever catching any.

I don’t think we ever had skates. I tried roller skating in Toronto when I was in my teens. I never did learn how to stop without running into the wall!

The MacNeils used to come to play cards withGram and Grandad and their two sons, Eric and Alvin would come with them. They were a year or two older than us.

That time when Aunt Lorraine was coming we were knitting in the kitchen and watching the lane for her arrival. I kept dropping stitches and Gram wasn’t very happy with me.

I remember the coffin being open and the cat being right in with Ewan MacDonald. I shooed it out.

I also remember walking to Uncle Edwards for dinner one night. Seemed like a very long way.

Grandad used to go to the Lake of Shining Waters, #16 on the golf course, in the winter with other neighborhood men and they’d cut the ice into blocks to be stored in the ice house in sawdust. Don’t think we had an icehouse. It was where you guys spent the summers.

Pickering Ontario

May of 1944 the Girls leave Cavendish. Grandmother Myrtle takes them on the train to Toronto . By this time Myrtle is a pro at taking this trip – she first made it in 1926 when she went to visit Maud in Norval. ( though at that time she has Maud’s husband Ewan – who you just met dead in the parlor at Green Gables – take the trip with her) Ina’s brief recollection of the train trip.

Ina Webb – recording of “A Train Ride to Ontario”

One of their first visits in Pickering is from their Aunt Marion, cousin Elaine who they had met in Cavendish in 1942, and her brother Ian who they had never met. Sadly they wouldn’t know Ian for long. ( you’ll have to listen to Ina for more details)

Safely arrived in Pickering Ontario, Myrtle with her grandchildren, Ina , Louise, Ian and Elaine.

Dad Keith has married Ethel Swindelhurst of Ballinafad who had been working for his sister Marion in Norval. Keith is now working at the Bob Ruddy farm in Pickering Ontario.

Ina Webb recording of – “Life as a Pickering Ontario Farm Girl”

Ina and Louise – on the Ruddy Farm in Pickering Ontario.

Below the two PEI farm girls stun the Ontario farm boys by taking all the prizes at the Markham fair. A proud father looks on.